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S/he wasn’t prepared for that….

preparation is overrated anyway.  whatever one prepares for rarely occurs.  it’s those lil "s’prises" in life that we should prepare for. the lesson?   prepare to never be prepared. ~t

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But you gotta admit that Tanya outdid herself. I can’t stop laughing.

guys that laugh make me hot. Another trophy for the Tanya map.

YOU. ME. a MAP. thus, another trophy. (and it ain’t fer my map, babycakes.) ~tannnnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyahhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhh

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There’s blood all over floor fuck face

thus…….  be prepared to never be prepared. the lesson:  only women bleed. (unless yer substandard, then things CAN take’ah turn) now gettup off’ah that flo. here. ::tossin’ ya’ah manual:: "HAVING SEX WITH SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOU IN THE ROOM" fuck face? (that’s in tha manual, learn technique) now lick up that blood, bitch!  ON YER KNEES ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — — — — – Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com                <<<<<<<   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <<<<<<<<

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for some people there is nothing better then exercise. having to ask that question makes me believe soemthing is not right that perhaps your putting too much into the exercise option. There are many things beside exercise in treating anxiety. Write to me if you care , but then again not too many people care to be like me lol …

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in becoming completely paralyzed or something. My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing? And if they do, could they please let me know what they are? I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – communication, so pecked out: Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – YOU COULD HAVE’AH LIFE ! exercise hurts. don’t do that ! as in becoming completely paralyzed or something. OMG… i didn’t know you were goin THERE… and i was havin’ such’ah "moment’ with ya. when i worked out, and long-distance runnin’ was my forte, i barely had time ta pee, cuz i’m obsessive.  i flew all over tha country and to canada to participate in runs.. i called myself an ‘opportunist’ that contributed to ’causes’, but actually i was fuckin’ WHACK ! My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing? you could take 83,323 mgs of endorphins, but i don’t think they make those. why you thinkin’ yer gonna have ta stop exercisin’?  are you obsessed with bein’ paralyzed?  CUZ exercise can cause that. i had’ah stairmaster in my house and did level 10 for 2 hours’ah day and i swear GOD SHOULD HAVE PUNISHED ME more’n i punished myself, and if yer over tha top with exercise, you WILL get hit by’ah bus and be worse than paralyzed, you’ll mess up yer hair. (and possibly miss American Idol… i don’t wanna scare ya but it IS possible.) runnin’ with scissors is less likely ta put yer eye out than their eye out when runnin’ with scissors, but i’ve heard of many people becoming paralyzed and i don’t mean just physically from excessive And if they do, could they please let me know what they are? i dunno about medications, but mas-tro-bation as an alternative if ya don’t gotta fuck buddy’n sex cures everything as long as she don’t have’ah key to yer house and she’s so drunk ya ain’t gotta worry about her findin’ a path back….  well.. (he/she)  i’m tryin ta be P.C… I’M NOT HERE TA JUDGE, (but i ain’t above beggin’.) . HEY !  I’M TANYA… NICE TA MEETCHA ! i’m subtle, if nothing. I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you. then ya might wanna wear’ah gas mask at all times and keep a stock of bottled water and canned goods, and DON’T FORGET THA RAFT and MOVE OUT’AH THAT DOUBLE WIDE, as tornados are God’s way’ah sayin… "yer nada sardine, stop livin’ like one." GETTA NEW WALLET, that condom’s gettin’ a bit dried out. and fer chrissake JOIN THA BOYSCOUTS ! ALWAYS have an extra captive bead ring on ya, as piercings close up quick. keep’ah shovel handy, ya never know when ya gotta get’n fox hole or talk to yer late Aunt Bessie…RIP (they both require diggin’.) put a picture of Boy George in yer back pocket, it’ll remind you that exercise is not all that important. after all, ya COULD  be HIM … OH YES… and’ah map… if ya ever get lost in’ah snow storm, ya wanna know where ya might, maybe are… A RAZOR !  (if hussien had weapons’ah mass destruction and couldn’t even clean up purdy for tha press?  that tells ya right there that razors are A HUGE PREPARATION FACTOR .. i mean… what if YOU get caught in a hole with 89 can’s’ah tuna… ya wanna look good, eh? (i’m thinkin’ that lil bunker raid created tha "fashion faux pas’ of tha century, as he wall ill-prepared.)  you don’t want THAT on yer back, do ya? oh yes.. always carry a sign that says ‘WILL WORK FOR FOOD’, as ya just nevah know… and be willing to negotiate… food’s easy, a cell phone? hmmmmmmmmmm, ya might wanna bargain it down ta THAT level. AND DON’T EVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT YOUR CAR KEYS, ya might end up in tha Mission District and weapons come in handy car nobody can see’m pick their nose?)  ….. McFLYYYYYYYYYYY take ALL YER MONEY OUTT’AH THA BANK AND INVEST IN’AH "BALL" JAR and’ah lotta mexicans, they bury stuff in’ah quickness,   and the FDIC is sittin’ on shakey ground. keep beef jerky in yer back pocket. ya might run inta tha ghost’ah john wayne, …… padnah ! oh yeah, bury a VW van in yer back yard and cover it with a 4" slab’ah steel (ya might wanna considers them mexicans, once agin.)… and NEVER forget yer tic tacs when on tha Academy Awards ‘red carpet’, ya might get lucky with drew barrymore… drew carey… anything can happen. …and the "HOLLYWOOD" sign is NOT just fer eatin’ schrooms’n bogartin’ that jernt anymore…TOTE’AH ROPE, never jump, them letters’re bigger’n they look. a roll’ah quarters !  ya may end up in tha slammer and there’s currency more effective than quarters… (well, unless ya held on ta them sit on them things and make’m disappear, they MAGICIANS, i tell ya… and ya could ALWAYS be up for’ah lil entertainment… LIVE A LITTLE ! BOXERS !  ya can’t wear them speedos ta venice beach… why?  (uhhhhh, yer a smart guy, let’s just say… "nuff said") UMBRELLA !  ya gotta be able ta get in outt’ah tha rain. … and oh yeah… MASCARA, MASCARA, MASCARA !  (i would highly recommend learning to perform a "CHER" song’re two, city boys just seem ta find out early…. they can’t open doors with just’ah smile. yer nada gurl, ya never will be, luck is NOT on yer side in that arena.) LISTERINE !!!! even though nobody wants ta taste or look at anything tha consistency of snot, swallowing is only tha ounce’ah prevention… BRING ALONG THAT POUND’AH CARE ! a nightlight !  keep one handy, jiminy cricket wants see ya…… when ya wish upon’ah star. and always…… carry your Bible….if nothing else, you can use it as’ah floatation device. I LOVE YOU, ALWAYS KNOW THAT ! (do ya gotta pic of yer thighs?) S/he wasn’t prepared for that….

But you gotta admit that Tanya outdid herself. I can’t stop laughing. Another trophy for the Tanya map. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in becoming completely paralyzed or something. My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing? And if they do, could they please let me know what they are? I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you. Hi there, I have been studying alternatives to mild mental health disorders for several years and so much of the research indicates that exercise is key in managing many disorders. There is also equal evidence that meditation also stimulates similar brain chemistry as exercise except the endorphin high but there is still the same level of clearer thinking and elevated mood.

I concur Daisy. I try to exercise 3 to 4 times per week and I meditate 3 times a day / 20 minutes per session. Although this helps me immensely, I still need the klonopin to keep my panic disorder under control. hth Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise –

YOU COULD HAVE’AH LIFE ! exercise hurts. don’t do that ! as in becoming completely paralyzed or something.

OMG… i didn’t know you were goin THERE… and i was havin’ such’ah "moment’ with ya. when i worked out, and long-distance runnin’ was my forte, i barely had time ta pee, cuz i’m obsessive.  i flew all over tha country and to canada to participate in runs.. i called myself an ‘opportunist’ that contributed to ’causes’, but actually i was fuckin’ WHACK ! My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing?

you could take 83,323 mgs of endorphins, but i don’t think they make those. why you thinkin’ yer gonna have ta stop exercisin’?  are you obsessed with bein’ paralyzed?  CUZ exercise can cause that. i had’ah stairmaster in my house and did level 10 for 2 hours’ah day and i swear GOD SHOULD HAVE PUNISHED ME more’n i punished myself, and if yer over tha top with exercise, you WILL get hit by’ah bus and be worse than paralyzed, you’ll mess up yer hair. (and possibly miss American Idol… i don’t wanna scare ya but it IS possible.) runnin’ with scissors is less likely ta put yer eye out than their eye out when runnin’ with scissors, but i’ve heard of many people becoming paralyzed and i don’t mean just physically from excessive And if they do, could they please let me know what they are?

i dunno about medications, but mas-tro-bation as an alternative if ya don’t gotta fuck buddy’n sex cures everything as long as she don’t have’ah key to yer house and she’s so drunk ya ain’t gotta worry about her findin’ a path back….  well.. (he/she)  i’m tryin ta be P.C… I’M NOT HERE TA JUDGE, (but i ain’t above beggin’.) . HEY !  I’M TANYA… NICE TA MEETCHA ! i’m subtle, if nothing. I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you.

then ya might wanna wear’ah gas mask at all times and keep a stock of bottled water and canned goods, and DON’T FORGET THA RAFT and MOVE OUT’AH THAT DOUBLE WIDE, as tornados are God’s way’ah sayin… "yer nada sardine, stop livin’ like one." GETTA NEW WALLET, that condom’s gettin’ a bit dried out. and fer chrissake JOIN THA BOYSCOUTS ! ALWAYS have an extra captive bead ring on ya, as piercings close up quick. keep’ah shovel handy, ya never know when ya gotta get’n fox hole or talk to yer late Aunt Bessie…RIP (they both require diggin’.) put a picture of Boy George in yer back pocket, it’ll remind you that exercise is not all that important. after all, ya COULD  be HIM … OH YES… and’ah map… if ya ever get lost in’ah snow storm, ya wanna know where ya might, maybe are… A RAZOR !  (if hussien had weapons’ah mass destruction and couldn’t even clean up purdy for tha press?  that tells ya right there that razors are A HUGE PREPARATION FACTOR .. i mean… what if YOU get caught in a hole with 89 can’s’ah tuna… ya wanna look good, eh? (i’m thinkin’ that lil bunker raid created tha "fashion faux pas’ of tha century, as he wall ill-prepared.)  you don’t want THAT on yer back, do ya? oh yes.. always carry a sign that says ‘WILL WORK FOR FOOD’, as ya just nevah know… and be willing to negotiate… food’s easy, a cell phone? hmmmmmmmmmm, ya might wanna bargain it down ta THAT level. AND DON’T EVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT YOUR CAR KEYS, ya might end up in tha Mission District and weapons come in handy car nobody can see’m pick their nose?)  ….. McFLYYYYYYYYYYY take ALL YER MONEY OUTT’AH THA BANK AND INVEST IN’AH "BALL" JAR and’ah lotta mexicans, they bury stuff in’ah quickness,   and the FDIC is sittin’ on shakey ground. keep beef jerky in yer back pocket. ya might run inta tha ghost’ah john wayne, …… padnah ! oh yeah, bury a VW van in yer back yard and cover it with a 4" slab’ah steel (ya might wanna considers them mexicans, once agin.)… and NEVER forget yer tic tacs when on tha Academy Awards ‘red carpet’, ya might get lucky with drew barrymore… drew carey… anything can happen. …and the "HOLLYWOOD" sign is NOT just fer eatin’ schrooms’n bogartin’ that jernt anymore…TOTE’AH ROPE, never jump, them letters’re bigger’n they look. a roll’ah quarters !  ya may end up in tha slammer and there’s currency more effective than quarters… (well, unless ya held on ta them sit on them things and make’m disappear, they MAGICIANS, i tell ya… and ya could ALWAYS be up for’ah lil entertainment… LIVE A LITTLE ! BOXERS !  ya can’t wear them speedos ta venice beach… why?  (uhhhhh, yer a smart guy, let’s just say… "nuff said") UMBRELLA !  ya gotta be able ta get in outt’ah tha rain. … and oh yeah… MASCARA, MASCARA, MASCARA !  (i would highly recommend learning to perform a "CHER" song’re two, city boys just seem ta find out early…. they can’t open doors with just’ah smile. yer nada gurl, ya never will be, luck is NOT on yer side in that arena.) LISTERINE !!!! even though nobody wants ta taste or look at anything tha consistency of snot, swallowing is only tha ounce’ah prevention… BRING ALONG THAT POUND’AH CARE ! a nightlight !  keep one handy, jiminy cricket wants see ya…… when ya wish upon’ah star. and always…… carry your Bible….if nothing else, you can use it as’ah floatation device. I LOVE YOU, ALWAYS KNOW THAT ! <smile ~tanya (do ya gotta pic of yer thighs?)

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What is a mild mental health disorder? G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in becoming completely paralyzed or something. My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing? And if they do, could they please let me know what they are? I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you. Hi there, I have been studying alternatives to mild mental health disorders for several years and so much of the research indicates that exercise is key in managing many disorders. There is also equal evidence that meditation also stimulates similar brain chemistry as exercise except the endorphin high but there is still the same level of clearer thinking and elevated mood.

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Hi bagawitz, Tuesday February 28 2006, bagawitz writes to All:   manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would   do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in   becoming completely paralyzed or something. My question is,   does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in Gufus here… I sufferer from many levels of anxiety! I’m also a C-3 Quadriplegic, I stay off of drugs, and just try to keep my head screwed on straight. Flipping HARD to do most days, but I do it.         Gufus http://www.gypsy-designs.com … Behind every argument is someone’s ignorance.

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"I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in becoming completely paralyzed or something." You would do whatever you needed to do. There are no such medicines. "I would just like to be prepared for anything" You already are.  Continue (as with exercise – maintenance, if you will..) by nodding your head up and down, as if to say "yes".  Avoid shaking your head from side to side, as if to say "no".  Saying "yes" to whatever comes is basically the strategy employed.  Saying ‘no’ is to block, fight reality, and this raises anxiety.  By simply saying yes to what comes, saying "yes" to LIFE – that is the only way to feel prepared.  People do it every day, in response to any number of unbelievable events. G

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Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in becoming completely paralyzed or something. My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing? And if they do, could they please let me know what they are? I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you.

Hi there, I have been studying alternatives to mild mental health disorders for several years and so much of the research indicates that exercise is key in managing many disorders. There is also equal evidence that meditation also stimulates similar brain chemistry as exercise except the endorphin high but there is still the same level of clearer thinking and elevated mood.

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Hello friends. I am an anxiety sufferer and have a question I was wondering if someone could help me with. Exercise helps me tremendously with keeping my anxiety at a manageable level. Lately, I have been wondering what I would do if I became physically unable to exercise – as in becoming completely paralyzed or something. My question is, does anyone know of any medications that work on anxiety in the same way as exercise as far as affecting the same chemicals and that sort of thing? And if they do, could they please let me know what they are? I know this is not something I need to worry about – I would just like to be prepared for anything – thank you.

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Eve de Villette wrote: > Bernd Jendrissek wrote… >>I don’t really know.  "Girls???  Grosssssss!!!!!!!!!", that’s all. > Just to kick this post off on a highly serious note, I’ll pose the > question I asked the guys in #shyroom a few weeks ago: if you had the > necessary flexibility, would you give yourself a blow job? (The general > consensus seemed to be that they might try, out of curiosity, but > wouldn’t make a habit out of it; then there was this one guy who said > he had actually tried it, and got the end in, but the position made it > hard to sustain the activity for long…)

You’ve got to be f*ckin’ kidding me? :-O /me oggles the shyroom guys with increased respect

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August Pamplona wrote: >         Since I’m ridiculously open about everything else, I shall admit > that I have been able to do this in the past. However, I’m not sure that > I could do it now (I’m guessing that I still could but that it probably > would depend on the day and time –as it always did). I have been able > to get the glans beyond the level of my teeth but it is very rare to be > able work up enough flexibility to get it even that far. It’s > uncomfortable and painful (some soreness afterwards). I suppose that if > it were a lot less effort, I’d do it a lot more often. I suppose one > should be able to train oneself to be able to do this more easily (in > fact, there’s a book on this subject at > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1879967111 ) but it would > probably take a lot of effort and dedication.

WHOA.  This has got to be the a.s.s. post of the year.

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"Eve de Villette" <unbroken…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1124612459.689772.311980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > Bernd Jendrissek wrote… >> Chris <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote… >> >I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl. >> I was too, until quite recently.  In fact, still am I suppose, if I >> don’t find the woman specifically attractive.  OTOH, I haven’t re- tested >> the hypothesis in a while. > What is it that grosses (used to gross) you out about it? What about > sex, especially oral sex (both giving and receiving)? Are you a highly > hygiene conscious person in general? > (Just curious.)

Have you ever *seen* a vagina? Take a good gander at one–I mean, crikey, I  have to put my tongue in that cesspool?  The ones with razor-sharp teeth are rather terrifying, frankly. —  "But," he added, "I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life." George The-Buck-Stops-Elsewhere Bush.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > Have you ever *seen* a vagina? Take a good gander at one–I mean, crikey, > I  have to put my tongue in that cesspool?  The ones with razor-sharp > teeth are rather terrifying, frankly.

LOL! — -=Lola Each of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the total annihilation of future generations who, I think you’ll agree, have it coming. (Scott Adams)

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Eve de Villette wrote: > Bernd Jendrissek wrote… >>I don’t really know.  "Girls???  Grosssssss!!!!!!!!!", that’s all. > Just to kick this post off on a highly serious note, I’ll pose the > question I asked the guys in #shyroom a few weeks ago: if you had the > necessary flexibility, would you give yourself a blow job? (The general > consensus seemed to be that they might try, out of curiosity, but > wouldn’t make a habit out of it; then there was this one guy who said > he had actually tried it, and got the end in, but the position made it > hard to sustain the activity for long…)

         Since I’m ridiculously open about everything else, I shall admit that I have been able to do this in the past. However, I’m not sure that I could do it now (I’m guessing that I still could but that it probably would depend on the day and time –as it always did). I have been able to get the glans beyond the level of my teeth but it is very rare to be able work up enough flexibility to get it even that far. It’s uncomfortable and painful (some soreness afterwards). I suppose that if it were a lot less effort, I’d do it a lot more often. I suppose one should be able to train oneself to be able to do this more easily (in fact, there’s a book on this subject at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1879967111 ) but it would probably take a lot of effort and dedication. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Oral sex seems a bit gross to me, blowjobs more so than cunning >>linguistics, and even for the latter she’d have to be my wife or very >>good at convincing me that she might one day be. > Having been on the receiving end of the latter, I didn’t find it a > gross experience (well if the one doing it doesn’t mind, then who the > hell am I to think it gross?), but it nevertheless made me feel quite > self-conscious and awkward. Now, though I’ve been asked, I’ve never > been on the giving end of the former, and I’ve never been particularly > keen on the idea either. However, I think that has more to do with some > vague sense of it being a submissive/humiliating (and dirrrrty) thing > to do, rather than finding it gross. > I did contemplate doing it and analysed my discomfort with the idea > (i.e is it the kind of fear I could/should push myself through > regardless… and concluded that the main cause of anxiety in doing it > would come from not knowing what the hell I’m supposed to do with this > thing! – online manuals (ahem, or orals) and pr0n only goes so far in > teaching you…), but found my level of comfort with/closeness to the > person insufficient at the time.

         The ideal of pleasuring a woman in any way is incredibly appealing to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>So basically I’m trapped by my neuroses, if women regard oral sex as a >>"lesser" form of sex (does oral sex have assigned base numbers? >>2-and-a-half’th base?) that might have to be cleared as a hurdle before >>wanting to proceed to penis-in-vagina sex, whereas I’d rather avoid it >>[oral sex] altogether (right now anyway, while I still have all or most >>of my issues). > It is probably regarded as ‘pre-sex’ (or not sex proper at least, in > post-Clinton world), but I don’t know if it is necessarily a compulsory > step in the base system. Perhaps you can get away with plain ol’ > foreplay in the form of mutual fondling. >>How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. >>1. Dust on a bookshelf. >>2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. >>3. A fly sits on your food. >>4. You step on a snail. >>5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. >>6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat. > In general, my own dirt (sweat, smell) doesn’t really bother me either. > Others’, though… well, as long as they keep it away from me, I don’t > care. > 1. Not at all; I live in dust central. The dust bunnies in my room are > gathering volume and I suspect that a new life form which I shall adopt > as a housepet will be evolving from them soon.

         In Sovjet Russia, dust bunnies adopt you! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2-3. If the cockroach was on my food, it’d be a bit of a ewww! > definitely (and I wouldn’t eat it! I think…), but scurrying across > the street, I don’t really care. Flies, meh, I’m kind of used to them, > and along with mosquitoes they’re the insects that I don’t really get > the ‘ack, get it away from me get it away from me!!!!’ reaction to > (this reaction would go for no5 though). Now spiders on the other > hand… *shudders* > 4. I’d feel a bit bad, in an ‘oops!’ kind of way. Nothing gross about > it though. Well okay, I wouldn’t -touch- it but… > 6. Definitely wouldn’t touch, but would peek from a distance, out of > morbid curiosity. Wouldn’t get too close mainly out of fear that in > addition to maggots, there might be something else on it that I might > catch! > And they’ve even got a test just for this! > http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/disgust/index.shtml

         Will have to check it out. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bernd Jendrissek wrote: > —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– > Hash: SHA1 > In article <1124612459.689772.311…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Eve > de Villette <unbroken…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Bernd Jendrissek wrote… > >> Chris <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote… > >> >I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl. > >> I was too, until quite recently.  In fact, still am I suppose, if I > >> don’t find the woman specifically attractive.  OTOH, I haven’t > >> re-tested the hypothesis in a while. > > What is it that grosses (used to gross) you out about it? > I don’t really know.  "Girls???  Grosssssss!!!!!!!!!", that’s all.

when you do it, you’ll see it’s not gross. > > What about sex, especially oral sex (both giving and receiving)? > If (ahem! when) I fully associate myself into the possibility of > having actual, real sex and not just the fulfillment of an abstract > need (The Babaloughesian correctly points out that the two lead one to > radically different conclusions), it feels a bit like an alien > abduction (as the abductee) unless I am specifically attracted to the > woman, in which case it’s something positively interesting. > Subjectively, *personally* attracted, as opposed to agreeing that she > is "objectively attractive". > Oral sex seems a bit gross to me, blowjobs more so than cunning > linguistics, and even for the latter she’d have to be my wife or very > good at convincing me that she might one day be.

you’ll say that until you get one. most men love them. > So basically I’m trapped by my neuroses, if women regard oral sex as a > "lesser" form of sex (does oral sex have assigned base numbers? > 2-and-a-half’th base?) that might have to be cleared as a hurdle > before wanting to proceed to penis-in-vagina sex, whereas I’d rather > avoid it [oral sex] altogether (right now anyway, while I still have > all or most of my issues).

I think you can do what you want to do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Are you a highly hygiene conscious person in general?  (Just > > curious.) > Sometimes, in some situations.  In that things can easily gross me out > (living things in particular, and especially humans), but then again I > sometimes enjoy revelling in a 7-day-old sweaty T-shirt when I’m > camping or just thumbing my nose at the mating imperative and > vegetating in front of the TV during a 5-day cricket match, for > example. > How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. > 1. Dust on a bookshelf. > 2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. > 3. A fly sits on your food. > 4. You step on a snail. > 5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. > 6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat. > I’m too lazy now to deep-introspect the ratings I have for the > different kinds of sex.  Except the easy answer, that kissing or > boinking a girl I really like would be zero or below. > Also, some people think pr0n is inherently evil, degrading to women, > the evilstick that Satan wields.  Sure, it can be, but I’ve found > that as I’ve looked at some pr0n lately, my grossosity scores for > various sexual behaviours seem to be dropping.  IMHO pr0n is then > beneficial, to me and to society (at least to its female component as > they gain another competitor for their delights), if it can help > issue-riddled men come to terms with their own sexuality.  Pr0n helps > reinforce that NORMAL people can and do have sex, and that it’s > NORMAL to want some too.  As opposed to something one "should" feel > guilty about.

I don’t think it is evil, I watch some,  but it certainly isn’t the way things happen in bed and I don’t mean the positions. Those certainly happen but real people relate to each other much more than the zzzz cold actors.

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"Chris" <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote in message

news:1124284898.213846.213210@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > X-No-Archive > I have a childish mind. > I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl.

How old are you Chris?

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"Chris" <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote in news:1124284898.213846.213210 @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > X-No-Archive > I have a childish mind. > I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl.

Gosh.  I was fantasizing about cunnilingus when I was six.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <1124284898.213846.213…@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Chris <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote: >I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl.

I was too, until quite recently.  In fact, still am I suppose, if I don’t find the woman specifically attractive.  OTOH, I haven’t re-tested the hypothesis in a while. Well, it isn’t so much "grossed out" as being spooked out of an appropriate mental state – such quasi-opportunities tend rather to evoke a fight-or-flight response, which of course interferes with a more adaptive sexual behaviour. – — "IBM has more patent litigation lawyers than SCO has employees." – unknown —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDBFdZ/FmLrNfLpjMRAuGjAJ9g6JSxbM/jFH5rg9jKNzzG14kSTQCfeY3O oez9QuCrDGDjuchwqltPE0I= =+YCM —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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Chris wrote: > X-No-Archive > I have a childish mind. > I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl.

My first kiss was lousy. I wasn’t expecting a rough tongue. But the second time with the same boy was much more fun. Never noticed the roughness after that.

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michaelashouse wrote: > Chris wrote: >>X-No-Archive >>I have a childish mind. >>I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl. > My first kiss was lousy. I wasn’t expecting a rough tongue. > But the second time with the same boy was much more fun. > Never noticed the roughness after that.

         My embriology professor liked to mention how his scrotal tongue (he was born with the surface of his tongue being textured differently from normal people see http://images.google.com/images?q=%22scrotal%20tongue%22) kept his wife happy. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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Bernd Jendrissek wrote… > Chris <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote… > >I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl. > I was too, until quite recently.  In fact, still am I suppose, if I > don’t find the woman specifically attractive.  OTOH, I haven’t re-tested > the hypothesis in a while.

What is it that grosses (used to gross) you out about it? What about sex, especially oral sex (both giving and receiving)? Are you a highly hygiene conscious person in general? (Just curious.)

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 In article <1124612459.689772.311…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Eve de Villette <unbroken…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Bernd Jendrissek wrote… >> Chris <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote… >> >I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl. >> I was too, until quite recently.  In fact, still am I suppose, if I >> don’t find the woman specifically attractive.  OTOH, I haven’t >> re-tested the hypothesis in a while. >What is it that grosses (used to gross) you out about it?

I don’t really know.  "Girls???  Grosssssss!!!!!!!!!", that’s all. >What about sex, especially oral sex (both giving and receiving)?

If (ahem! *when*) I fully associate myself into the possibility of having actual, real sex and not just the fulfillment of an abstract need (The Babaloughesian correctly points out that the two lead one to radically different conclusions), it feels a bit like an alien abduction (as the abductee) unless I am specifically attracted to the woman, in which case it’s something positively interesting.  Subjectively, *personally* attracted, as opposed to agreeing that she is "objectively attractive". Oral sex seems a bit gross to me, blowjobs more so than cunning linguistics, and even for the latter she’d have to be my wife or very good at convincing me that she might one day be. So basically I’m trapped by my neuroses, if women regard oral sex as a "lesser" form of sex (does oral sex have assigned base numbers? 2-and-a-half’th base?) that might have to be cleared as a hurdle before wanting to proceed to penis-in-vagina sex, whereas I’d rather avoid it [oral sex] altogether (right now anyway, while I still have all or most of my issues). >Are you a highly hygiene conscious person in general?  (Just curious.)

Sometimes, in some situations.  In that things can easily gross me out (living things in particular, and especially humans), but then again I sometimes enjoy revelling in a 7-day-old sweaty T-shirt when I’m camping or just thumbing my nose at the mating imperative and vegetating in front of the TV during a 5-day cricket match, for example. How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. 1. Dust on a bookshelf. 2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. 3. A fly sits on your food. 4. You step on a snail. 5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. 6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat. I’m too lazy now to deep-introspect the ratings I have for the different kinds of sex.  Except the easy answer, that kissing or boinking a girl I really like would be zero or below. Also, some people think pr0n is inherently evil, degrading to women, the evilstick that Satan wields.  Sure, it can be, but I’ve found that as I’ve looked at some pr0n lately, my grossosity scores for various sexual behaviours seem to be dropping.  IMHO pr0n is then beneficial, to me and to society (at least to its female component as they gain another competitor for their delights), if it can help issue-riddled men come to terms with their own sexuality.  Pr0n helps reinforce that NORMAL people can and do have sex, and that it’s NORMAL to want some too.  As opposed to something one "should" feel guilty about. – — "If you lie to the compiler, it will get its revenge." – Henry Spencer —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDCeIV/FmLrNfLpjMRAs7aAJ4grnJeKBbnWqUnOVN9DVWBEw1MdACgiYAy ldF1k7IOwZyJuKMfG6mlvsU= =9+VO —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bernd Jendrissek wrote: > —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– > Hash: SHA1 > In article <1124612459.689772.311…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Eve > de Villette <unbroken…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>Bernd Jendrissek wrote… >>>Chris <ckc1…@netzero.com> wrote… >>>>I’m still grossed out by the thought of kissing a girl. >>>I was too, until quite recently.  In fact, still am I suppose, if I >>>don’t find the woman specifically attractive.  OTOH, I haven’t >>>re-tested the hypothesis in a while. >>What is it that grosses (used to gross) you out about it? > I don’t really know.  "Girls???  Grosssssss!!!!!!!!!", that’s all. >>What about sex, especially oral sex (both giving and receiving)? > If (ahem! *when*) I fully associate myself into the possibility of > having actual, real sex and not just the fulfillment of an abstract need > (The Babaloughesian correctly points out that the two lead one to > radically different conclusions), it feels a bit like an alien abduction > (as the abductee) unless I am specifically attracted to the woman, in > which case it’s something positively interesting.  Subjectively, > *personally* attracted, as opposed to agreeing that she is "objectively > attractive". > Oral sex seems a bit gross to me, blowjobs more so than cunning > linguistics, and even for the latter she’d have to be my wife or very > good at convincing me that she might one day be. > So basically I’m trapped by my neuroses, if women regard oral sex as a > "lesser" form of sex (does oral sex have assigned base numbers? > 2-and-a-half’th base?) that might have to be cleared as a hurdle before > wanting to proceed to penis-in-vagina sex, whereas I’d rather avoid it > [oral sex] altogether (right now anyway, while I still have all or most > of my issues). >>Are you a highly hygiene conscious person in general?  (Just curious.) > Sometimes, in some situations.  In that things can easily gross me out > (living things in particular, and especially humans), but then again I > sometimes enjoy revelling in a 7-day-old sweaty T-shirt when I’m camping > or just thumbing my nose at the mating imperative and vegetating in > front of the TV during a 5-day cricket match, for example. > How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. > 1. Dust on a bookshelf. > 2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. > 3. A fly sits on your food. > 4. You step on a snail. > 5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. > 6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat.

15. Tubgirl.* [snip] August Pamplona * I suppose that’s right at the top in base 16. — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Bernd Jendrissek wrote: >> How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. >> 1. Dust on a bookshelf. >> 2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. >> 3. A fly sits on your food. >> 4. You step on a snail. >> 5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. >> 6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat. > 15. Tubgirl.* > [snip] > August Pamplona > * I suppose that’s right at the top in base 16.

That *thing* was a woman??  I am thoroughly disgusted now.  With nasty beings like that slinking around, no wonder oral sex is such an issue.

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Bernd Jendrissek wrote… > I don’t really know.  "Girls???  Grosssssss!!!!!!!!!", that’s all.

Just to kick this post off on a highly serious note, I’ll pose the question I asked the guys in #shyroom a few weeks ago: if you had the necessary flexibility, would you give yourself a blow job? (The general consensus seemed to be that they might try, out of curiosity, but wouldn’t make a habit out of it; then there was this one guy who said he had actually tried it, and got the end in, but the position made it hard to sustain the activity for long…) > Oral sex seems a bit gross to me, blowjobs more so than cunning > linguistics, and even for the latter she’d have to be my wife or very > good at convincing me that she might one day be.

Having been on the receiving end of the latter, I didn’t find it a gross experience (well if the one doing it doesn’t mind, then who the hell am I to think it gross?), but it nevertheless made me feel quite self-conscious and awkward. Now, though I’ve been asked, I’ve never been on the giving end of the former, and I’ve never been particularly keen on the idea either. However, I think that has more to do with some vague sense of it being a submissive/humiliating (and dirrrrty) thing to do, rather than finding it gross. I did contemplate doing it and analysed my discomfort with the idea (i.e is it the kind of fear I could/should push myself through regardless… and concluded that the main cause of anxiety in doing it would come from not knowing what the hell I’m supposed to do with this thing! – online manuals (ahem, or orals) and pr0n only goes so far in teaching you…), but found my level of comfort with/closeness to the person insufficient at the time. > So basically I’m trapped by my neuroses, if women regard oral sex as a > "lesser" form of sex (does oral sex have assigned base numbers? > 2-and-a-half’th base?) that might have to be cleared as a hurdle before > wanting to proceed to penis-in-vagina sex, whereas I’d rather avoid it > [oral sex] altogether (right now anyway, while I still have all or most > of my issues).

It is probably regarded as ‘pre-sex’ (or not sex proper at least, in post-Clinton world), but I don’t know if it is necessarily a compulsory step in the base system. Perhaps you can get away with plain ol’ foreplay in the form of mutual fondling. > How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. > 1. Dust on a bookshelf. > 2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. > 3. A fly sits on your food. > 4. You step on a snail. > 5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. > 6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat.

In general, my own dirt (sweat, smell) doesn’t really bother me either. Others’, though… well, as long as they keep it away from me, I don’t care. 1. Not at all; I live in dust central. The dust bunnies in my room are gathering volume and I suspect that a new life form which I shall adopt as a housepet will be evolving from them soon. 2-3. If the cockroach was on my food, it’d be a bit of a ewww! definitely (and I wouldn’t eat it! I think…), but scurrying across the street, I don’t really care. Flies, meh, I’m kind of used to them, and along with mosquitoes they’re the insects that I don’t really get the ‘ack, get it away from me get it away from me!!!!’ reaction to (this reaction would go for no5 though). Now spiders on the other hand… *shudders* 4. I’d feel a bit bad, in an ‘oops!’ kind of way. Nothing gross about it though. Well okay, I wouldn’t -touch- it but… 6. Definitely wouldn’t touch, but would peek from a distance, out of morbid curiosity. Wouldn’t get too close mainly out of fear that in addition to maggots, there might be something else on it that I might catch! And they’ve even got a test just for this! http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/disgust/index.shtml

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Bernd Jendrissek wrote: > How about you?  What grosses you out?  Maybe we should define a scale. > 1. Dust on a bookshelf. > 2. A cockroach scurries across the street and into a drain. > 3. A fly sits on your food. > 4. You step on a snail. > 5. A worm drops out of a tree and onto your (clothed) lap. > 6. Maggots feasting on a rotting rat.

Oh I love a quiz. 4 – Triple yuck. 6 – Double yuck. 3 – Yuck. 2 – Ew. 1 & 5 – I can live with that.  But not long term.

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<snip I saw Waite in South Africa some time later and he recalled this particular incident in the context of Davidson’s Test performances and bowling skill. Waite contended that Alan was at his best when not feeling 100 percent fit. He said that real danger time was when you could see him limping back or looking sorry for himself. Rather like the bowling equivalent of Gordon Greenidge. It was said that he was never so dangerous as on those days when he was obviously limping.

True… but tI get the implication from Richie that Alan sometimes ‘imagined’ the injury, sort of a act..   I dont think that was the case with Greenidge.

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Extracted from ‘The spirit of cricket’ – a Personal Anthology, Christopher Martin Jenkins ……  He was injury prone-sometimes real, sometimes imaginary-but he never left the field or stopped bowling for any other than a very real reason.  I caught Johnny Waite off him one day in Cape Town in one of those dismissals where fieldsmen and captain work on a certain plan and it happens to come off. Alan had been limping back to bowl and then boring in at the batsmaen and moving the ball late either into or away from them. Then he would limp back and Craig wowould ask him if he were allright – he would say ‘no’ and get a sympathetic pat on the shoulder and then bore in again and yet another magnificient delivery. The Cape Town pitch was very slow and I asked Craig if I could come up three yards at gully for the one that flew off the thick edge and wouldn’t normally carry. Davo limped back for the next ball and Waite square drove it like a bullet. I caught the red blur, body paralll to the ground and was just rolling over for the second time when Davo arrived alongside me, saying excitedly, ‘It was the old trap, you know. The old trap’ . I t had taken him just two seconds to get down adn the boys thought it was the quickest he had moved all day. This was the match where, so much was he on the massage table that we had a copper plaque engraved and nailed on to the massage table and inscribed ‘ The A. K. Davidson Autograh Massage Table.’ I saw Waite in South Africa some time later and he recalled this particular incident in the context of Davidson’s Test performances and bowling skill. Waite contended that Alan was at his best when not feeling 100 percent fit. He said that real danger time was when you could see him limping back or looking sorry for himself. I have never played with or against a more penetrative opening bowler, possibly because of the particular angle in which he came at the batsman, bowling from wide of the return crease to a point just outside the off stump and then swinging late to round about middle stump or middle and leg. He wasn’t a big swinger of the ball but he certainly moved it as late as anyone I have seen, and this was one of the prime reasons that he was so successful. He only needed to hold the ball across the seam for variety and deliver it with the same action as for the in-swinger and I will defy any batsman in the world to pick up the fact that ball will continue straight on instead of swinging in. He used to do this sometimes and at other times he would cut the ball away from the right-hander in a fashion that made him the joy of wicketkeeper Wally Grout and his slip fieldsmen. He and Grout used to refer joculary to the fact that they had ‘made’ one another, each pointing out that the other would never done as well without the benefit of either the bowling or the wicketkeeping of the other. There was a lot in this for Grout took some magnificient catches off Davidson, both on the off and leg side, and developed a great understanding with him, as well as the ability to pick the way the ball was going to slant. Richie benaud, Willow Patterns (1969)

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<snip I saw Waite in South Africa some time later and he recalled this particular incident in the context of Davidson’s Test performances and bowling skill. Waite contended that Alan was at his best when not feeling 100 percent fit. He said that real danger time was when you could see him limping back or looking sorry for himself.

Rather like the bowling equivalent of Gordon Greenidge. It was said that he was never so dangerous as on those days when he was obviously limping. — John Hall      "I am not young enough to know everything."                                                  Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

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Extracted from ‘The spirit of cricket’ – a Personal Anthology, Christopher Martin Jenkins ……  He was injury prone-sometimes real, sometimes imaginary-but he never left the field or stopped bowling for any other than a very real reason.  <snip I saw Waite in South Africa some time later and he recalled this particular incident in the context of Davidson’s Test performances and bowling skill. Waite contended that Alan was at his best when not feeling 100 percent fit. He said that real danger time was when you could see him limping back or looking sorry for himself.

<snip Gordon Greenidge was similar.  If was limping the cricket was going to be entertaining. — Conehead

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That’s right the long awaited return of 3 strikes.

In the words of the great cricket fan John Waite, "I aint missing you at all, since you been gone away"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How bout this.  Your an ass-clown. A kiwi who didn’t come into bat for me when I was getting flamed by the Aussie’s. As far as I’m concerned 1 thing worse than an Aussie is a kiwi who turns their backs on their home nation.  What betrayal. Yes Ernest, because you have shown some capacity to argue a point, you must be a Benedict Arnold. The original poster could not be wrong. Flamed by the Aussies? That’s an interesting interpretation of the thread.

from the lousy writing I would say it is a bunch of kiwi shits barging in on our news group.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How bout this.  Your an ass-clown. A kiwi who didn’t come into bat for me when I was getting flamed by the Aussie’s. As far as I’m concerned 1 thing worse than an Aussie is a kiwi who turns their backs on their home nation.  What betrayal. Yes Ernest, because you have shown some capacity to argue a point, you must be a Benedict Arnold. The original poster could not be wrong. Flamed by the Aussies? That’s an interesting interpretation of the thread.

isnt there a nz.sport.cricket where u can go and hang out?

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isnt there a nz.sport.cricket where u can go and hang out?

If there was do you think they would want him anymore than we do.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How bout this.  Your an ass-clown. A kiwi who didn’t come into bat for me when I was getting flamed by the Aussie’s. As far as I’m concerned 1 thing worse than an Aussie is a kiwi who turns their backs on their home nation.  What betrayal. Yes Ernest, because you have shown some capacity to argue a point, you must be a Benedict Arnold. The original poster could not be wrong. Flamed by the Aussies? That’s an interesting interpretation of the thread.

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How bout this.  Your an ass-clown. A kiwi who didn’t come into bat for me when I was getting flamed by the Aussie’s. As far as I’m concerned 1 thing worse than an Aussie is a kiwi who turns their backs on their home nation.  What betrayal.

Yes Ernest, because you have shown some capacity to argue a point, you must be a Benedict Arnold. The original poster could not be wrong. Flamed by the Aussies? That’s an interesting interpretation of the thread.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How bout this.  Your an ass-clown. A kiwi who didn’t come into bat for me when I was getting flamed by the Aussie’s. As far as I’m concerned 1 thing worse than an Aussie is a kiwi who turns their backs on their home nation.  What betrayal. Yes Ernest, because you have shown some capacity to argue a point, you must be a Benedict Arnold. The original poster could not be wrong. Flamed by the Aussies? That’s an interesting interpretation of the thread.

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What’s your point idiot?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right the long awaited return of 3 strikes. What’s been happening in the cricket world…     – Umpires are still costing other nations matches against the Aussie’s (I suspect a bit of cloak n dagger here – I mean it wasn’t that long ago when Warne & the Waugh boys got done for match fixing).     – Steven Flemming showed against the World X1 that he will soon be regarded as the world’s best batsman.     – Why was Pontings hundred put on his record & Flemmings not?  TAA.     – Beware aware Aussie the Golden one is back!  Jeff Wilson will destroy the inconsistent Aussie bating lineup.     – Lehman has goooooooooone.  I’m glad that the man widely regarded as a racist fascist bigot has finished. You think you’d at least spell Stephen Fleming’s name correctly, considering you think he’s the world’s best batsman. But is he stupid? Or were you wrong? Remember when you questioned the skill of Australia’s fast bowlers??? Well allow me to quote Mr Fleming, who said of the Australians;  "Some of their bowling during the Test matches was superb. It was like having three Richard Hadlees and the greatest leg spinner of all." Maybe it’s just Total Kiwi Arrogance!!!

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What’s your point idiot?

The point being that if you are going to contine to champion Fleming as an integral part of your trolling, it would be nice, respectful in fact, if you could at least get the blokes name right. I’m sure Stephen would appreciate it. Here’s some advice Ben, from one New Zealander to another. It’s a fine line to walk between being a troll and a clown. A troll needs to at least give the appearance of being witty and well informed. Otherwise he runs the risk of appearing to be a clown, and is instead the subject of mockery and ridicule himself. You appear to be headed in that direction. Please try to reverse this trend, for the sake of your fellow New Zealanders. It’s not too late.

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How bout this.  Your an ass-clown. A kiwi who didn’t come into bat for me when I was getting flamed by the Aussie’s. As far as I’m concerned 1 thing worse than an Aussie is a kiwi who turns their backs on their home nation.  What betrayal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s your point idiot? The point being that if you are going to contine to champion Fleming as an integral part of your trolling, it would be nice, respectful in fact, if you could at least get the blokes name right. I’m sure Stephen would appreciate it. Here’s some advice Ben, from one New Zealander to another. It’s a fine line to walk between being a troll and a clown. A troll needs to at least give the appearance of being witty and well informed. Otherwise he runs the risk of appearing to be a clown, and is instead the subject of mockery and ridicule himself. You appear to be headed in that direction. Please try to reverse this trend, for the sake of your fellow New Zealanders. It’s not too late.

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Oh Yay!…. The Newsgroups most annoying sheepshagging shithead has returned/    - Steven Flemming showed against the World X1 that he will soon be regarded as the world’s best batsman.

Wasn’t that great… the only time he gets runs is against a halfarsed World XI full of Sri-Lankas bests and the worlds has beens.    - Why was Pontings hundred put on his record & Flemmings not?  TAA.

Because the ICC beleive that Kiwi’s are fuckwits and make pointless hundreds in pointless matches

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right the long awaited return of 3 strikes. What’s been happening in the cricket world…     – Umpires are still costing other nations matches against the Aussie’s (I suspect a bit of cloak n dagger here – I mean it wasn’t that long ago when Warne & the Waugh boys got done for match fixing).     – Steven Flemming showed against the World X1 that he will soon be regarded as the world’s best batsman.     – Why was Pontings hundred put on his record & Flemmings not?  TAA.     – Beware aware Aussie the Golden one is back!  Jeff Wilson will destroy the inconsistent Aussie bating lineup.     – Lehman has goooooooooone.  I’m glad that the man widely regarded as a racist fascist bigot has finished.

You think you’d at least spell Stephen Fleming’s name correctly, considering you think he’s the world’s best batsman. But is he stupid? Or were you wrong? Remember when you questioned the skill of Australia’s fast bowlers??? Well allow me to quote Mr Fleming, who said of the Australians;  "Some of their bowling during the Test matches was superb. It was like having three Richard Hadlees and the greatest leg spinner of all." Maybe it’s just Total Kiwi Arrogance!!!

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That’s right the long awaited return of 3 strikes. What’s been happening in the cricket world…     – Umpires are still costing other nations matches against the Aussie’s (I suspect a bit of cloak n dagger here – I mean it wasn’t that long ago when Warne & the Waugh boys got done for match fixing).     – Steven Flemming showed against the World X1 that he will soon be regarded as the world’s best batsman.     – Why was Pontings hundred put on his record & Flemmings not?  TAA.     – Beware aware Aussie the Golden one is back!  Jeff Wilson will destroy the inconsistent Aussie bating lineup.     – Lehman has goooooooooone.  I’m glad that the man widely regarded as a racist fascist bigot has finished.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] That the QLD media decided not to report a valid story is the only evidence I can see of any sort of conspiracy. Pretty sad really. Learn to read. and then explain how Lee could possibly be allowed back into the test team considering what he’s done over the last _4_years_ He couldn’t, doesn’t make it a conspiracy though.

So the latest thrust for Bung *isn’t* a conspiracy? And if you think not, then what would you describe it as? alvey

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[snip] He couldn’t, doesn’t make it a conspiracy though. So the latest thrust for Bung *isn’t* a conspiracy? And if you think not, then what would you describe it as?

As I have repeatedly said biased media commentary.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] He couldn’t, doesn’t make it a conspiracy though. So the latest thrust for Bung *isn’t* a conspiracy? And if you think not, then what would you describe it as? As I have repeatedly said biased media commentary.

"1.  An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act." You say po tat o I say conspiracy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You truckling NSV lickspittles got anything? I have seen these posts from you for over 4 years (since I have been on the cricket newsgroups) but never replied and read the posts and replies with mild amusement. I am a Victoria to get that out of the way straight away. I can tell that by the Kynochian precision of your language.  :-) Yes the Telegraph in Sydney and Herald Sun here in Melbourne without shame back their own players. Coming from the two major centres in the country and where most of the media power lies, you can’t say they don’t have influence. Not to mention they are both Murdoch papers. However what do you expect? I’m sorry. Are you suggesting that rabid parochial bias is to be expected? Couldn’t we set the bar a little higher than that? And doesn’t it concern you that the strongest team isn’t being put on the paddock?

*From the journos that write for these two papers….yes. I didn’t say it was right nor is it great, it just happens to be what these hack journos think news is. For the most part we have our strongest or closest to strongest team on the park I think even though I haven’t liked the selections. Its hard to argue with our success. Yes its sad Lehmann and Siddons never played more cricket or what Hayden’s going through now and Martyn had to put up with in the 90s but unfortunately no system in any sport or business or politics or even school teams is perfect and biases have always played a part whether any one likes it or not. The powers that be in Aussie cricket have world champion test and ODI teams to hang their hat on so sometimes selection becomes a matter of opinion. Not that I am well versed with the Courier Mail but I am sure being a tabloid paper in its own right that during State of Origin there are lots of pro Marone articles and many anti NSW articles. And again like the other tabloid papers they are just pandering to their respective audience. They are both tabloid papers with second rate journos at best who write the same clich

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t quite follow your logic here. My original post was about trialling a 2 X 20/20 match True, cricket is a spectator sport. All sports are. And on that point we all agree True, ODI draw large crowds- usually. It doesn’t

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had to take her firmly in hand when she said  "airplane" and "cookie" and "sidewalk" !! <asks humbly What’s British for sidewalk? Katz Pavement. Tweed Which can lead to some really bad misunderstandings with us merkins who think the pavement is the road. ;~} Jo LOL!  Yeah, don’t drive on the pavement in the UK! Jill And the right side of the road is the wrong side of the road there – they drive on the left hand side. — Christine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63

<g  The left side of the road is the right one to drive on.. Tweed

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had to take her firmly in hand when she said  "airplane" and "cookie" and "sidewalk" !! <asks humbly What’s British for sidewalk? Katz Pavement. Tweed Which can lead to some really bad misunderstandings with us merkins who think the pavement is the road. ;~} Jo LOL!  Yeah, don’t drive on the pavement in the UK! And for God’s sake, LOOK LEFT. ????

Next post in this thread will explain. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had to take her firmly in hand when she said  "airplane" and "cookie" and "sidewalk" !! <asks humbly What’s British for sidewalk? Katz Pavement. Tweed Which can lead to some really bad misunderstandings with us merkins who think the pavement is the road. ;~} Jo LOL!  Yeah, don’t drive on the pavement in the UK! And for God’s sake, LOOK LEFT. ????

And it will explain that if you look left and step out you might be flattened by a British car whose driver won’t have a clue why you stepped out  in front of him as he was coming from the right. Tweed

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yodeled: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had to take her firmly in hand when she said  "airplane" and "cookie" and "sidewalk" !! <asks humbly What’s British for sidewalk? Katz Pavement. Tweed Which can lead to some really bad misunderstandings with us merkins who think the pavement is the road. ;~} Jo LOL!  Yeah, don’t drive on the pavement in the UK! And for God’s sake, LOOK LEFT.

Oh, when you’re an unsuspecting America trying to cross the road, and you forget to look where the cars are actually barrelling down on you from.  ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Isn’t it wonderful these differences we have?  My car has a bonnet (hood) and a boot (trunk.)  Water comes out of a tap and not a faucet.  And your first floor is our ground floor, so our first floor is your second.  I love the difference and if anyone knows any more I’d like to hear them. Tweed (totally OT or is it?)

Did a quick search and found some sites with UK/US language differences. http://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/british-american.htm http://www.accomodata.co.uk/amlish.htm http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/americanbri… http://www.yindii.com/ref/brit_amer.htm http://forums.gamewinners.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-389779.html Hopefully the addresses come out OK. — Christine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63

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And it will explain that if you look left and step out you might be flattened by a British car whose driver won’t have a clue why you stepped out  in front of him as he was coming from the right.

   Yes, indeed.  It happened to my US Air Force son-in-law when he was first stationed at Green(something or other) base in England.  He "properly" looked to the left, stepped out, and was promptly flattened.  No major damage, a few bruises and an affront to his dignity but he learned *fast*!!!    Jeanne

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yodeled: And it will explain that if you look left and step out you might be flattened by a British car whose driver won’t have a clue why you stepped out  in front of him as he was coming from the right.   Yes, indeed.  It happened to my US Air Force son-in-law when he was first stationed at Green(something or other) base in England.  He "properly" looked to the left, stepped out, and was promptly flattened.  No major damage, a few bruises and an affront to his dignity but he learned *fast*!!!   Jeanne

See?  I’d be dead, and Tufty the traffic safety squirrel would be dancing on my grave. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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And it will explain that if you look left and step out you might be flattened by a British car whose driver won’t have a clue why you stepped out  in front of him as he was coming from the right.   Yes, indeed.  It happened to my US Air Force son-in-law when he was first stationed at Green(something or other) base in England.  He "properly" looked to the left, stepped out, and was promptly flattened.  No major damage, a few bruises and an affront to his dignity but he learned *fast*!!!   Jeanne

My colleague’s brother aged 26 was killed on his motorbike a couple of years ago in a road accident when some Americans were driving on the right in England. I guess they forgot. He was the second child of two.  Mum had died six months before of cancer. Both parents were only children.  This left just dad and one son. I know accidents happen, but this was a particularly sad one. Tweed

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In Australia we drive on the left,  and the pavement is the  footpath ! Marie in OZ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had to take her firmly in hand when she said  "airplane" and "cookie" and "sidewalk" !! <asks humbly What’s British for sidewalk? Katz Pavement. Tweed Which can lead to some really bad misunderstandings with us merkins who think the pavement is the road. ;~} Jo Really?  Your road is a pavement as well as a road?  Well, if you are in Britain and someone tells you to walk on the pavement, walk on the sidewalk or you might have a nasty accident. In Britain we drive on the left, so we teach our children to look right, look left, look right again before crossing the road. I saved N

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I’m just saying that any test cricketer should know how to manage officials. People that can get a better result than those that take a confrontational approach.

Works for everything in life. I once got off a speeding fine simply by being cheerful to the officer, I’m pretty sure if I got out and said "hey pig, what do you want", I’d have probably gotten the ticket.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote in Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday. Woolmer believes Australia reaped the benefit from more theatrical appealing and fanatical home town support which triggered umpiring misjudgments, even if, as in most cases, the adjudicators were from overseas. "Umpires are not cheats. I would never accuse them of that. But I do believe they are influenced by the way teams appeal and by the crowds," he said. Hard to argue with this point. quite "The Australians play this part of the game very well. The way they appeal and the way the crowd supports them creates subconcious pressure on umpires and it shows. "People can say an umpire gives a decision on what he sees rather than the appeals but I disgree. The appeal is very much a part of it. It is a very fine line." Woolmer will study the boisterous way the Australians appeal in a bid to make his team more effective at the art. Perhaps he should also study when they appeal.  Continually appealing for obviously not out decisions which is a habit of some teams tends to put officials off and works against the team. Perhaps we ought to look at umpiring appointments. Continually selecting umpires who don’t make decisions on merit, but selecting those who make a decision on who they like or dislike is not going to alleviate this problem. Can’t argue with you on this one either. "I am looking at how we can do it better, even if that means training at it," he said. "Maybe we need to appeal only when we are certain it is out and appeal very strongly. "Also there are ways of conducting yourself when you are batting to get the message across to an umpire that an appeal against you is not out. We must look at that as well. If test cricketers don’t know this now then they never will.  I was taught it in under 12’s schoolboy cricket. I thought that sort of thing can now be classed as dissent. Some may be, but there are some simple ones that aren’t ie taking a step forward and across then turning quickly to get back in your crease on LBW appeals, not looking behind you when you feather one until after you hear the appeal, and then have a puzzled look on your face as you do.  Of course if you are given out you must go without complaining, even if you aren’t out. And it’s equally important that experienced umpires should know these tactics and try not to be influenced by them. We’re continually told (by some) how good they really are, yet if they get bluffed by tactics taught in the U12s, it does point to a certain naivety. "The team has taken it well but there were five close decisions which went against us in the first (one-day) final on Friday night. It was too hard to take. And then came the second final when Adam Gilchrist was plumb lbw early and given not out (by South African umpire Rudi Koertzen). "Quite frankly Australia were the better side against us this summer but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on." Woolmer believes the controversial Hawkeye tracking system should be used in international cricket. I don’t. Obviously not. You appear to favour good old fashioned cheating, under the guise of bluff I’m just saying that any test cricketer should know how to manage officials. People that can get a better result than those that take a confrontational approach. I’d agree that confrontation rarely gets you anywhere, but it is frustrating when an official gives a decision one way, then when it’s your turn to appeal for a similar decision and you continually get turned down, it gets frustrating and you tend to then appeal for the silly ones. My take is that this is what has been happening this summer. Seriously, every early appeal by WI/Pak got turned down, yet virtually every early Australian appeal was paid. Virtually every time WI/Pak were 1 down for not many (ok, some of it was of their own doing), yet Australia rarely were. And sometimes they should have been.

We were 4 down for not very many quite a few times, but this was due to our own poor play, not a run of poor decisions.  Seriously, I think you have exagerated the situation a bit, but I do think we got more close decisions in our favour than the opposition did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with. Do you think Hawkeye would give decisions based on the frequency and timing of appeals by either team? No, but I still think it stuffs up the flight path of the ball on a regular basis.  If I didn’t have this doubt I would be happy with its use. I’m not totally convinced of it’s accuracy either, but perhaps the 3rd ump should have a bit more of a say. Some of those decisions were shockers, especially when viewed a 2nd time.

Anything that can make decisions correct more often is a plus IMHO.  The problem is that when analysing photographic evidence you really need someone who knows how to adjust for the errors that are inherent in projecting a 3 dimensional image into 2 dimensions, as well as someone who knows the rules. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "People say that if you introduced Hawkeye it would rob the umpires of incentive to do their jobs but there would still be a lot for them to do." The Pakistan Cricket Board has responded to the umpiring furore by sending a letter to the International Cricket Council urging for the appointment of two neutral umpires for one-day games. Presently Test matches contain two neutral umpires with one neutral and one home umpire at international one-dayers. Woolmer said there was no lingering bad blood between allrounder Abdul Razzaq and Brett Lee, to whom the Pakistani unleashed two beamers and was withdrawn from the attack in the second final in Sydney. "Both balls were accidents and they were fine with each other when they spoke after play." Saying this tends to damage his credibility a bit.  He should have just said that both players were fine with each other and left it at that. Why? He’s saying both balls were accidents. I’m almost certain that Lee’s was deliberate, and I have strong suspicions that Razzaq’s second one was deliberate. Likewise. Higgs

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with. That at least is easy to check. Bowl at least 100 test balls with different bowlers and have the computer analysts cut the data at some point after pitching and let the computer predict the balls progress.  Compare that to the actual delivery and voila instant statistics. except you’re missing a possible source of error there, how accurately does it determine the point of impact versus the rebound. So if the ball hits the pad and deviates to the off-side does hawkeye detect where the ball hit the pad or does it start the ball swinging to the off?

Hawkeye detects the trajectory by plotting the deviation from the pitch before hitting anything else, otherwise you would see Hawkeye displaying balls deviating miles away after hitting the pad. The mathematics are not new, just the program that calculates it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wrote in Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday. Woolmer believes Australia reaped the benefit from more theatrical appealing and fanatical home town support which triggered umpiring misjudgments, even if, as in most cases, the adjudicators were from overseas. "Umpires are not cheats. I would never accuse them of that. But I do believe they are influenced by the way teams appeal and by the crowds," he said. Hard to argue with this point. quite "The Australians play this part of the game very well. The way they appeal and the way the crowd supports them creates subconcious pressure on umpires and it shows. "People can say an umpire gives a decision on what he sees rather than the appeals but I disgree. The appeal is very much a part of it. It is a very fine line." Woolmer will study the boisterous way the Australians appeal in a bid to make his team more effective at the art. Perhaps he should also study when they appeal.  Continually appealing for obviously not out decisions which is a habit of some teams tends to put officials off and works against the team. Perhaps we ought to look at umpiring appointments. Continually selecting umpires who don’t make decisions on merit, but selecting those who make a decision on who they like or dislike is not going to alleviate this problem. Can’t argue with you on this one either. "I am looking at how we can do it better, even if that means training at it," he said. "Maybe we need to appeal only when we are certain it is out and appeal very strongly. "Also there are ways of conducting yourself when you are batting to get the message across to an umpire that an appeal against you is not out. We must look at that as well. If test cricketers don’t know this now then they never will.  I was taught it in under 12’s schoolboy cricket. I thought that sort of thing can now be classed as dissent. Some may be, but there are some simple ones that aren’t ie taking a step forward and across then turning quickly to get back in your crease on LBW appeals, not looking behind you when you feather one until after you hear the appeal, and then have a puzzled look on your face as you do.  Of course if you are given out you must go without complaining, even if you aren’t out.

And it’s equally important that experienced umpires should know these tactics and try not to be influenced by them. We’re continually told (by some) how good they really are, yet if they get bluffed by tactics taught in the U12s, it does point to a certain naivety. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The team has taken it well but there were five close decisions which went against us in the first (one-day) final on Friday night. It was too hard to take. And then came the second final when Adam Gilchrist was plumb lbw early and given not out (by South African umpire Rudi Koertzen). "Quite frankly Australia were the better side against us this summer but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on." Woolmer believes the controversial Hawkeye tracking system should be used in international cricket. I don’t. Obviously not. You appear to favour good old fashioned cheating, under the guise of bluff I’m just saying that any test cricketer should know how to manage officials. People that can get a better result than those that take a confrontational approach.

I’d agree that confrontation rarely gets you anywhere, but it is frustrating when an official gives a decision one way, then when it’s your turn to appeal for a similar decision and you continually get turned down, it gets frustrating and you tend to then appeal for the silly ones. My take is that this is what has been happening this summer. Seriously, every early appeal by WI/Pak got turned down, yet virtually every early Australian appeal was paid. Virtually every time WI/Pak were 1 down for not many (ok, some of it was of their own doing), yet Australia rarely were. And sometimes they should have been. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with. Do you think Hawkeye would give decisions based on the frequency and timing of appeals by either team? No, but I still think it stuffs up the flight path of the ball on a regular basis.  If I didn’t have this doubt I would be happy with its use.

I’m not totally convinced of it’s accuracy either, but perhaps the 3rd ump should have a bit more of a say. Some of those decisions were shockers, especially when viewed a 2nd time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "People say that if you introduced Hawkeye it would rob the umpires of incentive to do their jobs but there would still be a lot for them to do." The Pakistan Cricket Board has responded to the umpiring furore by sending a letter to the International Cricket Council urging for the appointment of two neutral umpires for one-day games. Presently Test matches contain two neutral umpires with one neutral and one home umpire at international one-dayers. Woolmer said there was no lingering bad blood between allrounder Abdul Razzaq and Brett Lee, to whom the Pakistani unleashed two beamers and was withdrawn from the attack in the second final in Sydney. "Both balls were accidents and they were fine with each other when they spoke after play." Saying this tends to damage his credibility a bit.  He should have just said that both players were fine with each other and left it at that. Why? He’s saying both balls were accidents. I’m almost certain that Lee’s was deliberate, and I have strong suspicions that Razzaq’s second one was deliberate.

Likewise. Higgs

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Pakistan left up in arms

snip trad. arr. Good long-term move this Bobby. (Although as a coach of Pakistan long-term effects won’t affect are unlikely to affect him) al Vey

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with. That at least is easy to check. Bowl at least 100 test balls with different bowlers and have the computer analysts cut the data at some point after pitching and let the computer predict the balls progress.  Compare that to the actual delivery and voila instant statistics.

except you’re missing a possible source of error there, how accurately does it determine the point of impact versus the rebound. So if the ball hits the pad and deviates to the off-side does hawkeye detect where the ball hit the pad or does it start the ball swinging to the off?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday. Woolmer believes Australia reaped the benefit from more theatrical appealing and fanatical home town support which triggered umpiring misjudgments, even if, as in most cases, the adjudicators were from overseas. "Umpires are not cheats. I would never accuse them of that. But I do believe they are influenced by the way teams appeal and by the crowds," he said. Hard to argue with this point. quite "The Australians play this part of the game very well. The way they appeal and the way the crowd supports them creates subconcious pressure on umpires and it shows. "People can say an umpire gives a decision on what he sees rather than the appeals but I disgree. The appeal is very much a part of it. It is a very fine line." Woolmer will study the boisterous way the Australians appeal in a bid to make his team more effective at the art. Perhaps he should also study when they appeal.  Continually appealing for obviously not out decisions which is a habit of some teams tends to put officials off and works against the team. Perhaps we ought to look at umpiring appointments. Continually selecting umpires who don’t make decisions on merit, but selecting those who make a decision on who they like or dislike is not going to alleviate this problem.

Can’t argue with you on this one either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am looking at how we can do it better, even if that means training at it," he said. "Maybe we need to appeal only when we are certain it is out and appeal very strongly. "Also there are ways of conducting yourself when you are batting to get the message across to an umpire that an appeal against you is not out. We must look at that as well. If test cricketers don’t know this now then they never will.  I was taught it in under 12’s schoolboy cricket. I thought that sort of thing can now be classed as dissent.

Some may be, but there are some simple ones that aren’t ie taking a step forward and across then turning quickly to get back in your crease on LBW appeals, not looking behind you when you feather one until after you hear the appeal, and then have a puzzled look on your face as you do.  Of course if you are given out you must go without complaining, even if you aren’t out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The team has taken it well but there were five close decisions which went against us in the first (one-day) final on Friday night. It was too hard to take. And then came the second final when Adam Gilchrist was plumb lbw early and given not out (by South African umpire Rudi Koertzen). "Quite frankly Australia were the better side against us this summer but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on." Woolmer believes the controversial Hawkeye tracking system should be used in international cricket. I don’t. Obviously not. You appear to favour good old fashioned cheating, under the guise of bluff

I’m just saying that any test cricketer should know how to manage officials. People that can get a better result than those that take a confrontational approach. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with. Do you think Hawkeye would give decisions based on the frequency and timing of appeals by either team?

No, but I still think it stuffs up the flight path of the ball on a regular basis.  If I didn’t have this doubt I would be happy with its use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "People say that if you introduced Hawkeye it would rob the umpires of incentive to do their jobs but there would still be a lot for them to do." The Pakistan Cricket Board has responded to the umpiring furore by sending a letter to the International Cricket Council urging for the appointment of two neutral umpires for one-day games. Presently Test matches contain two neutral umpires with one neutral and one home umpire at international one-dayers. Woolmer said there was no lingering bad blood between allrounder Abdul Razzaq and Brett Lee, to whom the Pakistani unleashed two beamers and was withdrawn from the attack in the second final in Sydney. "Both balls were accidents and they were fine with each other when they spoke after play." Saying this tends to damage his credibility a bit.  He should have just said that both players were fine with each other and left it at that. Why? He’s saying both balls were accidents.

I’m almost certain that Lee’s was deliberate, and I have strong suspicions that Razzaq’s second one was deliberate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s even specualation as to whether the first one was actually illegal. Higgs The Courier-Mail

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Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 <snip "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday.

<snip Hi i reckon they are prolly right; there is no point whinging about it (don’t we aussies luv that !?); i reckon the international umpires made worse (or equally bad) decisions than the locals. cheers, A.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – in Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday. Woolmer believes Australia reaped the benefit from more theatrical appealing and fanatical home town support which triggered umpiring misjudgments, even if, as in most cases, the adjudicators were from overseas. "Umpires are not cheats. I would never accuse them of that. But I do believe they are influenced by the way teams appeal and by the crowds," he said. Hard to argue with this point.

quite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The Australians play this part of the game very well. The way they appeal and the way the crowd supports them creates subconcious pressure on umpires and it shows. "People can say an umpire gives a decision on what he sees rather than the appeals but I disgree. The appeal is very much a part of it. It is a very fine line." Woolmer will study the boisterous way the Australians appeal in a bid to make his team more effective at the art. Perhaps he should also study when they appeal.  Continually appealing for obviously not out decisions which is a habit of some teams tends to put officials off and works against the team.

Perhaps we ought to look at umpiring appointments. Continually selecting umpires who don’t make decisions on merit, but selecting those who make a decision on who they like or dislike is not going to alleviate this problem. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am looking at how we can do it better, even if that means training at it," he said. "Maybe we need to appeal only when we are certain it is out and appeal very strongly. "Also there are ways of conducting yourself when you are batting to get the message across to an umpire that an appeal against you is not out. We must look at that as well. If test cricketers don’t know this now then they never will.  I was taught it in under 12’s schoolboy cricket.

I thought that sort of thing can now be classed as dissent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The team has taken it well but there were five close decisions which went against us in the first (one-day) final on Friday night. It was too hard to take. And then came the second final when Adam Gilchrist was plumb lbw early and given not out (by South African umpire Rudi Koertzen). "Quite frankly Australia were the better side against us this summer but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on." Woolmer believes the controversial Hawkeye tracking system should be used in international cricket. I don’t.

Obviously not. You appear to favour good old fashioned cheating, under the guise of bluff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with.

Do you think Hawkeye would give decisions based on the frequency and timing of appeals by either team? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "People say that if you introduced Hawkeye it would rob the umpires of incentive to do their jobs but there would still be a lot for them to do." The Pakistan Cricket Board has responded to the umpiring furore by sending a letter to the International Cricket Council urging for the appointment of two neutral umpires for one-day games. Presently Test matches contain two neutral umpires with one neutral and one home umpire at international one-dayers. Woolmer said there was no lingering bad blood between allrounder Abdul Razzaq and Brett Lee, to whom the Pakistani unleashed two beamers and was withdrawn from the attack in the second final in Sydney. "Both balls were accidents and they were fine with each other when they spoke after play." Saying this tends to damage his credibility a bit.  He should have just said that both players were fine with each other and left it at that.

Why? He’s saying both balls were accidents. There’s even specualation as to whether the first one was actually illegal. Higgs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Courier-Mail

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"I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with.

That at least is easy to check. Bowl at least 100 test balls with different bowlers and have the computer analysts cut the data at some point after pitching and let the computer predict the balls progress.  Compare that to the actual delivery and voila instant statistics.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday. Woolmer believes Australia reaped the benefit from more theatrical appealing and fanatical home town support which triggered umpiring misjudgments, even if, as in most cases, the adjudicators were from overseas. "Umpires are not cheats. I would never accuse them of that. But I do believe they are influenced by the way teams appeal and by the crowds," he said.

Hard to argue with this point. "The Australians play this part of the game very well. The way they appeal and the way the crowd supports them creates subconcious pressure on umpires and it shows. "People can say an umpire gives a decision on what he sees rather than the appeals but I disgree. The appeal is very much a part of it. It is a very fine line." Woolmer will study the boisterous way the Australians appeal in a bid to make his team more effective at the art.

Perhaps he should also study when they appeal.  Continually appealing for obviously not out decisions which is a habit of some teams tends to put officials off and works against the team. "I am looking at how we can do it better, even if that means training at it," he said. "Maybe we need to appeal only when we are certain it is out and appeal very strongly. "Also there are ways of conducting yourself when you are batting to get the message across to an umpire that an appeal against you is not out. We must look at that as well.

If test cricketers don’t know this now then they never will.  I was taught it in under 12’s schoolboy cricket. "The team has taken it well but there were five close decisions which went against us in the first (one-day) final on Friday night. It was too hard to take. And then came the second final when Adam Gilchrist was plumb lbw early and given not out (by South African umpire Rudi Koertzen). "Quite frankly Australia were the better side against us this summer but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on." Woolmer believes the controversial Hawkeye tracking system should be used in international cricket.

I don’t. "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it?

Because I’m not convinced that hawkeye is above the 90% accuracy that Woolmer credits umpires with. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "People say that if you introduced Hawkeye it would rob the umpires of incentive to do their jobs but there would still be a lot for them to do." The Pakistan Cricket Board has responded to the umpiring furore by sending a letter to the International Cricket Council urging for the appointment of two neutral umpires for one-day games. Presently Test matches contain two neutral umpires with one neutral and one home umpire at international one-dayers. Woolmer said there was no lingering bad blood between allrounder Abdul Razzaq and Brett Lee, to whom the Pakistani unleashed two beamers and was withdrawn from the attack in the second final in Sydney. "Both balls were accidents and they were fine with each other when they spoke after play."

Saying this tends to damage his credibility a bit.  He should have just said that both players were fine with each other and left it at that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Courier-Mail

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You must admit that there were some *really bad* calls tho. Gillies lbw…..very bad! —   Regards   Muzza

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You must admit that there were some *really bad* calls tho. Gillies lbw…..very bad!

Yep. Even apart from the bias issue, there were lots of very bad decisions this summer. cheers, Calvin

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Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday.

Excellent. Someone was counting.

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Pakistan left up in arms By Robert Craddock February 8, 2005 ARMED with the contents of a private investigation, an angry Pakistan cricket team believes Australia bluffed its way to a 6/1 advantage in dubious umpiring decisions this summer. Coach Bob Woolmer yesterday revealed Pakistan became so concerned about their misfortune with close calls they conducted a secret video review of every decision judged by technology to be incorrect throughout the summer. "It went 29-5 against us," Woolmer said before leaving for Pakistan yesterday. Woolmer believes Australia reaped the benefit from more theatrical appealing and fanatical home town support which triggered umpiring misjudgments, even if, as in most cases, the adjudicators were from overseas. "Umpires are not cheats. I would never accuse them of that. But I do believe they are influenced by the way teams appeal and by the crowds," he said. "The Australians play this part of the game very well. The way they appeal and the way the crowd supports them creates subconcious pressure on umpires and it shows. "People can say an umpire gives a decision on what he sees rather than the appeals but I disgree. The appeal is very much a part of it. It is a very fine line." Woolmer will study the boisterous way the Australians appeal in a bid to make his team more effective at the art. "I am looking at how we can do it better, even if that means training at it," he said. "Maybe we need to appeal only when we are certain it is out and appeal very strongly. "Also there are ways of conducting yourself when you are batting to get the message across to an umpire that an appeal against you is not out. We must look at that as well. "The team has taken it well but there were five close decisions which went against us in the first (one-day) final on Friday night. It was too hard to take. And then came the second final when Adam Gilchrist was plumb lbw early and given not out (by South African umpire Rudi Koertzen). "Quite frankly Australia were the better side against us this summer but some of these decisions made a huge difference. You are talking about decisions which players’ careers rested on." Woolmer believes the controversial Hawkeye tracking system should be used in international cricket. "I am not saying it’s perfect but I am a fan of Hawkeye. At the very least it is the same for both sides so you take all those other factors out of play. I am not having a go at umpires because they get it right well over 90 per cent of the time. "But if the technology is there why not use it? "People say that if you introduced Hawkeye it would rob the umpires of incentive to do their jobs but there would still be a lot for them to do." The Pakistan Cricket Board has responded to the umpiring furore by sending a letter to the International Cricket Council urging for the appointment of two neutral umpires for one-day games. Presently Test matches contain two neutral umpires with one neutral and one home umpire at international one-dayers. Woolmer said there was no lingering bad blood between allrounder Abdul Razzaq and Brett Lee, to whom the Pakistani unleashed two beamers and was withdrawn from the attack in the second final in Sydney. "Both balls were accidents and they were fine with each other when they spoke after play." The Courier-Mail

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Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move.

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tis like watching an aussie team from the 80’s very poor showing….no ticker and been beat by a better team PS/note the (been beat)

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roflmao only 5 runs from been 10 scorer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move.

If Clarke is out of form, I’d hate to see what description he’s using for the rest of the side (Martyn excepted, perhaps).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move. If Clarke is out of form, I’d hate to see what description he’s using for the rest of the side (Martyn excepted, perhaps).

The one who concerns me is Ponting. He seems to have really dropped his game.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move.

While I disagree that 2 poor efforts is hardly "out of form" material, I’ve always maintained that Clarke’s technique is average and I believe it’s beginning to show now that he’s actually expected to score some runs at the important number 1/2 position for Australia. Clarke a test prospect?  Not likely. Cheers LT.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move. While I disagree that 2 poor efforts is hardly "out of form" material, I’ve always maintained that Clarke’s technique is average and I believe it’s beginning to show now that he’s actually expected to score some runs at the important number 1/2 position for Australia. Clarke a test prospect?  Not likely.

He’s a middle order batsman IMO. He’ll eventually have to drop back there. Regards, Jason

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surprise ending —   Regards   Muzza

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tis like watching an aussie team from the 80’s very poor showing….no ticker and been beat by a better team PS/note the (been beat)

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surprise ending

Nah not really. Colin Kynoch

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move. While I disagree that 2 poor efforts is hardly "out of form" material, I’ve always maintained that Clarke’s technique is average and I believe it’s beginning to show now that he’s actually expected to score some runs at the important number 1/2 position for Australia. Clarke a test prospect?  Not likely.

I agree that players already established in the team aren’t usually referred to as a "prospect". Andrew

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<snip roflmao only 5 runs from been 10 scorer

Actually I think you’ll find it was Katich and McGrath who were only 5 runs from been 10 scorer. Andrew

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move.

No complaints about the bias in this article?

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Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez.

That’s a bit unfair.  Hafeez may once have been anonymous, but being reported for a suspected illegal bowling action tends to thrust one into the spotlight. <snip Andrew

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tapped the keyboard and brought forth: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. The out of form Clarke’s struggle was in dire contrast to the ease with which his fellow top order batsmen played the injury-ravaged Pakistan bowling. Adam Gilchrist made light work of the Pakistan bowlers with 40 off only 30 balls and skipper Ponting crashed 4 sumptuous fours racing to 41 while Clarke could only find the fence twice in 96 painful minutes. There must now be doubts in the selectors minds whether Clarke can handle the opening position as a permanent move. No complaints about the bias in this article?

Who do you think wrote it? Cheers, Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cricket Malcolm Dawson. Pressure mounted on out of form Australian opener Michael Clarke today after another unconvincing innings. Back on his home ground following his streaky innings 9 off 22 balls in the 1st VB final, and being dropped making that 9, Clarke today crawled to 38 off 75 balls before being embarrassingly bowled between his legs while attempting a desperate and ugly slog by no-name slow bowler Mohammad Hafeez. That’s a bit unfair.  Hafeez may once have been anonymous, but being reported for a suspected illegal bowling action tends to thrust one into the spotlight.

Yesss. Good parody wasn’t it. alvey in briz, idling that if Murdoch & Packer ever formally merged then the name ‘Mucker’ would be my pick for the name.

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<snip Sounds like you are actually a bludger. Interesting why do you say that? Just having a dig at you for having all the time to go to these matches. Nothing vindictive.

It is Sunday. It is also an advantage of being self employed Colin Kynoch

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snip Sounds like you are actually a bludger. But what’s the story with Warne- playing one dayers for Vic, but not International.

It’s called ligging Higgs

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<snip Sounds like you are actually a bludger. Interesting why do you say that?

Just having a dig at you for having all the time to go to these matches. Nothing vindictive. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But what’s the story with Warne- playing one dayers for Vic, but not International. Hmm let’s see, he retired form ODI’s but not List A Colin Kynoch

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<snip Sounds like you are actually a bludger.

Interesting why do you say that? But what’s the story with Warne- playing one dayers for Vic, but not International.

Hmm let’s see, he retired form ODI’s but not List A Colin Kynoch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What an enjoyable day, marred only by a damp squib batting effort from Queensland. Arrived at the ground at 9.30 am and the day was already shaping to be a great day for cricket.  It was cool and the clouds were clearing quickly. The ground looked a treat and the pitch looked to be a good batting strip.   A nice straw colour and a good hard strip. Queensland won the toss and put the Vics in. Elliott and Moss then went about building a solid foundation to the innings and an opening partnership that ended up being more than the Queensland side could muster. Elliott played some wonderful shots including a cover drive that was like a rifle shot. Moss looked like he was going to go on and score a century and looked very disappointed with himself when he was caught by Philipson. With Moss’ departure Hodge came to the wicket, and was brutal to quite a number of deliveries including a on drive six that was well caught in the crowd. Hauritz was the clear pick of the Queensland bowlers who were generously treated by the umpires as far as wides were concerned, yet managed to still concede 16 of them.  In fairness to the umpires they were consistent and allowed several balls that you would expect to be called wide  go when the Vics were bowling. At time the Queensland fielding was below the standard that you would expect of a team topping the ING table. McDonald showed some promise with his 19 runs of 19. Vics went to the break having made only 277 runs on a ground that 277 should never have been enough on. Some comment on the ground is warranted.  Given that Ballarat has had over 150mm of rain this week, it is a credit to groundsman that the outfield was quite fast (and dry enough for several hundred people to seat themselves or lie down on to watch the game and not get even damp), and the pitch was a good true pitch without any sign of dampness. Then it was Queensland’s opportunity to chase down the not too challenging total of 277. Queensland were somewhat hampered by having Love injured and requiring stitches after fielding a scorching shot from Hodge. With 5 of their wickets falling before they passed 50 the game was over pretty quickly and the main interest remained as to whether or not the Bushrangers could secure one or two bonus points. I must say that I quite enjoyed the one the QCC call Horrible bowl his 10 overs and take 4/29. It was also very nice to see Warne playing in state colours. It was also nice to be watching at a ground that enabled you to walk all the way round and watch the from all angles.  Warne turned the occasional ball quite a distance and totally out bowled Hauritz to take his first wicket. I would like to also take this opportunity to thank ING who were kind enough to invite me as their guests to the game, their hospitality and that of Cricket Victoria was very generous and the food was superb. All in all a very enjoyable day made more so by Victoria avenging their loss the last time they played the Bulls in Ballarat and also winning their third straight ING Cup game against the Bulls. I am sure that all Queenslanders will be hoping that Tassie make it to the final and not their nemesis of the last two years, Victoria. Colin Kynoch

Sounds like you are actually a bludger. But what’s the story with Warne- playing one dayers for Vic, but not International.

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What an enjoyable day, marred only by a damp squib batting effort from Queensland. Arrived at the ground at 9.30 am and the day was already shaping to be a great day for cricket.  It was cool and the clouds were clearing quickly. The ground looked a treat and the pitch looked to be a good batting strip.   A nice straw colour and a good hard strip. Queensland won the toss and put the Vics in. Elliott and Moss then went about building a solid foundation to the innings and an opening partnership that ended up being more than the Queensland side could muster. Elliott played some wonderful shots including a cover drive that was like a rifle shot. Moss looked like he was going to go on and score a century and looked very disappointed with himself when he was caught by Philipson. With Moss’ departure Hodge came to the wicket, and was brutal to quite a number of deliveries including a on drive six that was well caught in the crowd. Hauritz was the clear pick of the Queensland bowlers who were generously treated by the umpires as far as wides were concerned, yet managed to still concede 16 of them.  In fairness to the umpires they were consistent and allowed several balls that you would expect to be called wide  go when the Vics were bowling. At time the Queensland fielding was below the standard that you would expect of a team topping the ING table. McDonald showed some promise with his 19 runs of 19. Vics went to the break having made only 277 runs on a ground that 277 should never have been enough on. Some comment on the ground is warranted.  Given that Ballarat has had over 150mm of rain this week, it is a credit to groundsman that the outfield was quite fast (and dry enough for several hundred people to seat themselves or lie down on to watch the game and not get even damp), and the pitch was a good true pitch without any sign of dampness. Then it was Queensland’s opportunity to chase down the not too challenging total of 277. Queensland were somewhat hampered by having Love injured and requiring stitches after fielding a scorching shot from Hodge. With 5 of their wickets falling before they passed 50 the game was over pretty quickly and the main interest remained as to whether or not the Bushrangers could secure one or two bonus points. I must say that I quite enjoyed the one the QCC call Horrible bowl his 10 overs and take 4/29. It was also very nice to see Warne playing in state colours. It was also nice to be watching at a ground that enabled you to walk all the way round and watch the from all angles.  Warne turned the occasional ball quite a distance and totally out bowled Hauritz to take his first wicket. I would like to also take this opportunity to thank ING who were kind enough to invite me as their guests to the game, their hospitality and that of Cricket Victoria was very generous and the food was superb. All in all a very enjoyable day made more so by Victoria avenging their loss the last time they played the Bulls in Ballarat and also winning their third straight ING Cup game against the Bulls. I am sure that all Queenslanders will be hoping that Tassie make it to the final and not their nemesis of the last two years, Victoria. Colin Kynoch

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